{"id":279230,"date":"2025-01-30T11:20:34","date_gmt":"2025-01-30T11:20:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/?p=279230"},"modified":"2025-02-01T17:39:50","modified_gmt":"2025-02-01T17:39:50","slug":"does-tribun-always-tell-the-truth-ahmet-durdu-seba-left-besiktas-never-recovered","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/does-tribun-always-tell-the-truth-ahmet-durdu-seba-left-besiktas-never-recovered\/","title":{"rendered":"Does the tribune always tell the truth? Ahmet stopped Seba left, Be\u015fikta\u015f never recovered"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The penalty is one of the most exciting positions in soccer.<\/p>\n<p>When the ball is placed on that white spot, the 7.32-meter goal becomes smaller and smaller for the player who will take the penalty, and larger and larger for the goalkeeper.<\/p>\n<p>Although it may seem like the easiest way to score, the world average is that 3 out of every 4 penalty kicks are converted into goals.<\/p>\n<p>Who will take the penalty is another mystery.<\/p>\n<p>Each team has a first, second and third penalty taker who are appointed before the season.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes a soccer player takes the ball and says he wants to take a penalty.<\/p>\n<p>At that moment, all eyes turn to the bench. If the coach gives the go-ahead, this extraordinary request is granted.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes the stars of the team will face off in a penalty shootout.<\/p>\n<p>If the manager has influence over the stars in the team, he decides who will take the penalty.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes, in this case, the tribunes step in and start cheering in favor of a player.<br \/>\nIf the manager lacks authority over the star players and has little credibility with the fans, he will listen to the voice of the stands.<\/p>\n<p>If the penalty is converted into a goal, no problem. But when the penalty is missed, the manager saves himself by throwing the blame to the stands!<\/p>\n<p>But do the tribunes always make the right decision?<\/p>\n<p>One of the first groups that comes to mind when it comes to fan groups in Turkey is the \u00c7ar\u015f\u0131 Group.<\/p>\n<p>This fan group, which has a decibel record that has gone down in world football history, has also made history with its creative actions during the Gezi Resistance by being tried in the \u2018coup attempt\u2019 case.<\/p>\n<p>For me, it is a source of pride that Be\u015fikta\u015f, of which I am a supporter, has such a fan group.<\/p>\n<p>Despite this, can we say that \u00c7ar\u015f\u0131 always cheers the right way and makes the right decision?<\/p>\n<p>The year 2000. A season in which things did not go as desired at Be\u015fikta\u015f.<\/p>\n<p>The famous cheer is on the lips of the \u00c7ar\u015f\u0131: <em><strong>Ahmet Dursun, let Seba go...<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>As a matter of fact, as a result of those chants, the 16-year era of S\u00fcleyman Seba at Be\u015fikta\u015f came to an end.<br \/>\nBe\u015fikta\u015f won the Super League 5 times, the Turkish Cup 4 times, the Presidential Cup 4 times, the Prime Ministry Cup 2 times, the TSYD Cup 6 times and finished second in the league 8 times during Seba's 16-year reign.<\/p>\n<p>While three of these championships have been won in consecutive seasons, Be\u015fikta\u015f is the only team to be the undefeated champion of the Turkish Super League.<\/p>\n<p>In the 25 years after Seba, there were only 5 championships.<\/p>\n<p>The club has seen the highest levels of indebtedness in its history. Worst of all <em><strong>\u201cTo play fair and win with honor\u201d<\/strong><\/em> The last 25 years have taken a lot away from the spirit of Be\u015fikta\u015f.<\/p>\n<p>He even saw a disaster like Yildirim Demiroren!<\/p>\n<p>Years later, Ahmet Dursun visited S\u00fcleyman Seba and apologized.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u2018My Turkish was very poor, I thought they were saying something good\u2019<\/em> He said.<\/p>\n<p>S\u00fcleyman Seba expressed his resentment <em>\u201cWhat happened when we left\u201d<\/em> \"I am very grateful to you.<\/p>\n<p>Ahmet Dursun made 112 appearances for Be\u015fikta\u015f, where he played for 4 years and scored 53 goals.<br \/>\nSo he played with a goal average below 0.5.<\/p>\n<p>In the following years Be\u015fikta\u015f had strikers of much higher quality and goal contribution than Ahmet Dursun. But it never found a president like S\u00fcleyman Seba.<\/p>\n<p>Moral of the story:<\/p>\n<p>Tribunes don't always make the right choice. They may have emotional preferences far from rationality. Because they act with the feeling of being \u2018fans\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>In football, it is not possible to get the result only with the emotions of your own fans.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, if your supporters outnumber your arch rivals Fenerbah\u00e7e and Galatasaray, you need to have different formulas for success.<\/p>\n<p>But if the club doesn't have a strong president and a competent manager, every season <strong>\u2018flash transfers\u2019<\/strong> and<strong> \u2018with star footballers\u2019<\/strong> and then throw in the towel in the middle of the season and make the same mistakes the following season.<\/p>\n<p>Especially if you open your stands to the fans of the opposing team and make decisions based on their chants, you are open to all kinds of manipulation.<\/p>\n<p>The next thing you know, your \u2018star\u2019 footballer, whom you even threw away the values of the club for the sake of pleasing the tribunes, will appear as a rival in your arch-rival's jersey the following season because he pays more!<\/p>\n<p>Does this have anything to do with the CHP? No matter how one understands it...<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tribunes don't always make the right choice. They may have emotional preferences far from rationality. Because they act with the feeling of being \u2018fans\u2019.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":279231,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[286],"tags":[15,289,288],"class_list":{"0":"post-279230","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-yazarlar","8":"tag-chp","9":"tag-manset","10":"tag-ozgur-ozel"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279230","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=279230"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279230\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":279232,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279230\/revisions\/279232"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/279231"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=279230"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=279230"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/halkweb.com.tr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=279230"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}